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Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *Pic*

Posted By: Robert McMurray
Date: Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:15 p.m.

In Response To: Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development (Toni V)

I used Freeship last winter for two designs and had quite good luck with the fit. I did however discover that the bottom panels were flipped end for end by the program when it did the development. It became very obvious as I wired it up that something was wrong. Once I re-did them the fit was right on. If you are concerned about exact sizes it is not hard to plane the edges a bit with a rolling bevel so that they meet more at the outside which accounts for the panel thickness and the changing angle at which they meet. I also modeled things with sharp points at the ends and enough extra length to end up with what I wanted after everything was given a reasonable radius. On a long skinny kayak you will probably end up cutting off 3 to 5 inches on each end if you don't want a lethal weapon. I found the easiest way to do this was to hold two sticks together at the right angle and just measure the distance from the point to where the radius seemed reasonable, then add this to the length of the model. Bear in mind that you will want to trim off a decreasing amount from the ends to 3-4 feet back along the keel to eliminate the sharp edge.

To get a feel for the developability check tools I found it useful to make a quick model of S&G that I had completed in the past and compare that to my admittedly vague memories of which areas were the most difficult.

As these were pretty curvy designs I made patterns with cheap luan to try it out on the first one:

Messages In This Thread

S&G: Delftship panel shape development *LINK* *Pic*
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 4:35 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *LINK*
Daren -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 8:46 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Toni V -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 10:27 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:14 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Toni V -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 2:47 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *Pic*
Robert McMurray -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:15 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:23 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Robert McMurray -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 3:13 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 9:42 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *Pic*
Duane Strosaker -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:37 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 9:53 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:14 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:37 a.m.
freeship is still continuing - at vers 2.78
mike allen -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: freeship is still continuing - at vers 2.78
Dave Reekie -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 1:43 p.m.
freeship stuff + vers 2.78 link *LINK*
mike allen -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 3:13 p.m.
Re: freeship stuff + vers 2.78 link
Toni V -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 4:04 p.m.
Re: freeship stuff + vers 2.78 link
mike allen -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 4:31 p.m.
Update *LINK* *Pic*
David Reekie -- Saturday, 8 September 2007, at 8:39 a.m.
Update comments
mike allen -- Monday, 10 September 2007, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: Update comments
Toni V -- Tuesday, 11 September 2007, at 7:55 a.m.
Re: Update comments
mike allen -- Tuesday, 11 September 2007, at 11:55 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 12:41 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 1:09 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
David Reekie -- Saturday, 8 September 2007, at 8:11 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bill Hamm -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 4:53 a.m.
bending ply *Pic*
mike allen -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 11:57 a.m.
Re: bending ply
Bryan Hansel -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 1:30 p.m.
s&g (developable) surf kayaks *Pic*
mike allen -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: s&g (developable) surf kayaks
Bryan Hansel -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 11:54 p.m.
another s&g (developable) surf kayak: *Pic*
mike allen -- Thursday, 13 September 2007, at 1:30 a.m.
Re: another s&g (developable) surf kayak:
Bryan Hansel -- Thursday, 13 September 2007, at 7:13 p.m.
a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail' *Pic*
mike allen -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 1:33 a.m.
'la ligne' - another s&g freeship surf kayak *Pic*
mike allen -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 2:18 a.m.
Re: a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail'
Ken Blanton -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 7:00 a.m.
Re: a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail'
mike allen -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 5:03 p.m.
Re: a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail'
Bryan Hansel -- Saturday, 15 September 2007, at 7:45 p.m.
some freeship techniques *Pic*
mike allen -- Sunday, 16 September 2007, at 3:46 a.m.
Re: some freeship techniques
Bryan Hansel -- Monday, 17 September 2007, at 5:04 p.m.
more freeship techniques *Pic*
mike allen -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 2:33 a.m.
Re: more freeship techniques
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 8:56 a.m.
corrupted curvature
mike allen -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Bill Hamm -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 6:43 p.m.
the magic *Pic*
mike allen -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 12:41 a.m.
Re: Somebody has to ask....
TOM RAYMOND -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 12:16 p.m.
Re: Somebody has to ask.... *Pic*
mike allen -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 3:02 p.m.
Re: Somebody has to ask....
TOM RAYMOND -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 4:32 p.m.
some are a little more normal *Pic*
mike allen -- Friday, 21 September 2007, at 3:58 a.m.
Re: some are a little more normal
Bryan Hansel -- Friday, 21 September 2007, at 8:33 a.m.
Re: some are a little more normal
mike allen -- Friday, 21 September 2007, at 12:16 p.m.
freeship sketch version of 'solitude 15' *Pic*
mike allen -- Saturday, 22 September 2007, at 6:33 a.m.
freeship 'solitude 15' - 90 deg panel twist
mike allen -- Tuesday, 25 September 2007, at 2:07 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
HenkA -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 8:26 a.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 12:56 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Toni V -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 6:49 a.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
mike allen -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 2:42 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Toni V -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 6:11 a.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
mike allen -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 7:39 a.m.
Re: more freeship techniques
Bryan Hansel -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 9:07 p.m.
Re: more freeship techniques
Bryan Hansel -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 9:11 p.m.
control curve vs actual shape curve
mike allen -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 9:46 p.m.
Re: bending ply
Bill Hamm -- Sunday, 16 September 2007, at 3:20 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Toni V -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 2:43 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 4:26 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 10:08 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 11:01 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Robert McMurray -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 10:33 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 11:14 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Robert McMurray -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 11:46 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bill Hamm -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 2:19 a.m.
Re: torture *Pic*
Robert McMurray -- Thursday, 6 September 2007, at 12:19 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:59 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 2:05 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 2:12 p.m.
Just a thought...
Jay Doorly -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:02 a.m.

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