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S&G: Delftship panel shape development *LINK* *Pic*

Posted By: Dave Reekie
Date: Monday, 3 September 2007, at 4:35 a.m.

I referred to some particular behaviour I had seen with Delftship (was FREEship) panel shape development in a post earlier this week and was asked for more details. I've now got the right photo sorted, so here goes.

I designed the boat with a simple 4 panel hull. Then I added a totally flat deck in Delftship, to get it to give me the deck dimensions, so I could cut out a flat deck and turn it into a Point Bennett style peaked deck. However I got the following seemingly contradictory results in panel shapes developed.

- All panel shapes - side panels, bottom panels and deck panel - claimed to need the same iterations to produce: 5.
- The deck panel however seemed like it should have been fully developable as it was supposed to be entirely flat side to side and curved in one plane only.
- When I turned on the feature to use highlighting to show undevelopable edges I couldn't see anything highlighted.

So I just cut out the panels and started. It became obvious that the sides and bottom pieces would not fit together: wiring the bottom pieces together and wiring the sides at stem and stern then offering them up showed a good match along the middle 70% of the hull where there was little twist in either, but at the ends there were gaping 'mouths' where they didn't meet. I had several stations in place so knew the basic shape was right. Setting up a line between top of stem and stern and measuring down to the stations showed that the side panels were basically correct: with the stations attached to the side panels in the right locations fore and aft they were at the right location vertically. So to make the bottom panels meet I had to significantly trim the panels along the keel line and add long thin V shaped extra pieces of wood along the chine. The linked blog describes this a bit more, and also contains the line drawings for the kayak and a picture (also enclosed below) of the panels where they didn't meet.

I've emailed this to the Delftship developer for info and will post and interesting replies.

Has anyone else seen this?

Dave.

Kayak building blog with more info

Messages In This Thread

S&G: Delftship panel shape development *LINK* *Pic*
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 4:35 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *LINK*
Daren -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 8:46 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Toni V -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 10:27 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:14 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Toni V -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 2:47 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *Pic*
Robert McMurray -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:15 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:23 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Robert McMurray -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 3:13 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 9:42 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development *Pic*
Duane Strosaker -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:37 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 9:53 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:14 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:37 a.m.
freeship is still continuing - at vers 2.78
mike allen -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: freeship is still continuing - at vers 2.78
Dave Reekie -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 1:43 p.m.
freeship stuff + vers 2.78 link *LINK*
mike allen -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 3:13 p.m.
Re: freeship stuff + vers 2.78 link
Toni V -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 4:04 p.m.
Re: freeship stuff + vers 2.78 link
mike allen -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 4:31 p.m.
Update *LINK* *Pic*
David Reekie -- Saturday, 8 September 2007, at 8:39 a.m.
Update comments
mike allen -- Monday, 10 September 2007, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: Update comments
Toni V -- Tuesday, 11 September 2007, at 7:55 a.m.
Re: Update comments
mike allen -- Tuesday, 11 September 2007, at 11:55 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 12:41 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 1:09 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
David Reekie -- Saturday, 8 September 2007, at 8:11 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bill Hamm -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 4:53 a.m.
bending ply *Pic*
mike allen -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 11:57 a.m.
Re: bending ply
Bryan Hansel -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 1:30 p.m.
s&g (developable) surf kayaks *Pic*
mike allen -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: s&g (developable) surf kayaks
Bryan Hansel -- Wednesday, 12 September 2007, at 11:54 p.m.
another s&g (developable) surf kayak: *Pic*
mike allen -- Thursday, 13 September 2007, at 1:30 a.m.
Re: another s&g (developable) surf kayak:
Bryan Hansel -- Thursday, 13 September 2007, at 7:13 p.m.
a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail' *Pic*
mike allen -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 1:33 a.m.
'la ligne' - another s&g freeship surf kayak *Pic*
mike allen -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 2:18 a.m.
Re: a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail'
Ken Blanton -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 7:00 a.m.
Re: a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail'
mike allen -- Friday, 14 September 2007, at 5:03 p.m.
Re: a s&g freeship surf kayak - the 'rail'
Bryan Hansel -- Saturday, 15 September 2007, at 7:45 p.m.
some freeship techniques *Pic*
mike allen -- Sunday, 16 September 2007, at 3:46 a.m.
Re: some freeship techniques
Bryan Hansel -- Monday, 17 September 2007, at 5:04 p.m.
more freeship techniques *Pic*
mike allen -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 2:33 a.m.
Re: more freeship techniques
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 8:56 a.m.
corrupted curvature
mike allen -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Bill Hamm -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 6:43 p.m.
the magic *Pic*
mike allen -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 12:41 a.m.
Re: Somebody has to ask....
TOM RAYMOND -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 12:16 p.m.
Re: Somebody has to ask.... *Pic*
mike allen -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 3:02 p.m.
Re: Somebody has to ask....
TOM RAYMOND -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 4:32 p.m.
some are a little more normal *Pic*
mike allen -- Friday, 21 September 2007, at 3:58 a.m.
Re: some are a little more normal
Bryan Hansel -- Friday, 21 September 2007, at 8:33 a.m.
Re: some are a little more normal
mike allen -- Friday, 21 September 2007, at 12:16 p.m.
freeship sketch version of 'solitude 15' *Pic*
mike allen -- Saturday, 22 September 2007, at 6:33 a.m.
freeship 'solitude 15' - 90 deg panel twist
mike allen -- Tuesday, 25 September 2007, at 2:07 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
HenkA -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 8:26 a.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 12:56 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Toni V -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 6:49 a.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
mike allen -- Wednesday, 19 September 2007, at 2:42 p.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
Toni V -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 6:11 a.m.
Re: corrupted curvature
mike allen -- Thursday, 20 September 2007, at 7:39 a.m.
Re: more freeship techniques
Bryan Hansel -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 9:07 p.m.
Re: more freeship techniques
Bryan Hansel -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 9:11 p.m.
control curve vs actual shape curve
mike allen -- Tuesday, 18 September 2007, at 9:46 p.m.
Re: bending ply
Bill Hamm -- Sunday, 16 September 2007, at 3:20 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Toni V -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 2:43 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 4:26 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
HenkA -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 10:08 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 11:01 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Robert McMurray -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 10:33 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 11:14 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Robert McMurray -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 11:46 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bill Hamm -- Wednesday, 5 September 2007, at 2:19 a.m.
Re: torture *Pic*
Robert McMurray -- Thursday, 6 September 2007, at 12:19 a.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 1:59 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Bryan Hansel -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 2:05 p.m.
Re: S&G: Delftship panel shape development
Dave Reekie -- Monday, 3 September 2007, at 2:12 p.m.
Just a thought...
Jay Doorly -- Tuesday, 4 September 2007, at 12:02 a.m.

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