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Re: Strip: Outer Island Cockpit Dimensions?
By:JohnAbercrombie
Date: 12/27/2016, 9:49 am
In Response To: Re: Strip: Outer Island Cockpit Dimensions? (Steve Solomon)

I find this sort of comparison regarding trade-offs to be very helpful. Could you speak further on how the design differences impact the objectives? For example I understand how a low rear deck facilitates rolling, and I assume the trade-off is you end up with less cargo space? Any other impact? If you (or anyone) could give other examples of how the differences in the designs of these two boats impact their utility / objectives, I would very much appreciate it.

Steve:
I've never (knowingly) seen a Cape Ann Expedition and definitely haven't paddled one.

In general, though, I find that large volume expedition-type boats tend to be blown around on the water when not loaded, due to greater windage and less 'hull in the water'. A heavier paddler will reduce the problem, and water ballast (or as one of my paddling buddies does, adding rocks!) can help.

A great day-paddling boat like my 16' Frej would suffer if loaded with food water and (minimal!) gear for a 10 day trip.
(Save these notes for the discussion with spouse on 'why we need a bigger kayak storage area.... :-)

I think it would be rare for a boat that can handle a good cargo load to also be a fast race/day paddling boat. Two boats which I have paddled which will do this are Bjorn Thomassson's Panthera and the Mariner II. The Seda Glider is also a fast boat which can carry cargo but doesn't handle well in wind when unloaded (see above comment on adding rocks mid-paddle). Of these, only the Panthera is available as a design for home builders.

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Strip: Outer Island Cockpit Dimensions?
Rich D -- 12/24/2016, 3:22 pm
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jaybabina -- 12/25/2016, 8:15 am
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Rich D -- 12/25/2016, 2:20 pm
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jaybabina -- 12/25/2016, 6:06 pm
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Paul Sylvester -- 12/26/2016, 7:05 am
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Rich D -- 12/26/2016, 8:19 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/26/2016, 1:05 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/26/2016, 1:28 pm
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Rich D -- 12/26/2016, 7:09 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/26/2016, 8:21 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/26/2016, 9:00 pm
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Paul Sylvester -- 12/27/2016, 5:38 am
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Steve Solomon -- 12/27/2016, 9:14 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/27/2016, 9:49 am
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Steve Solomon -- 12/27/2016, 11:30 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/27/2016, 12:37 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 12/27/2016, 3:40 pm
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Steve Solomon -- 12/27/2016, 4:32 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/27/2016, 4:57 pm
Re: Strip: Outer Island Cockpit Dimensions? *PIC*
Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K -- 12/27/2016, 5:20 pm
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Steve Solomon -- 12/27/2016, 6:25 pm
Yes
Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K -- 12/27/2016, 6:42 pm
Re: Yes
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/28/2016, 12:11 pm
Re: Yes *PIC*
Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K -- 12/28/2016, 12:55 pm
Re: Yes
Thomas Duncan -- 12/28/2016, 1:10 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 12/28/2016, 1:43 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/28/2016, 2:51 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 12/28/2016, 7:11 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/28/2016, 7:31 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 12/29/2016, 4:37 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/29/2016, 8:15 am
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 12/29/2016, 10:39 am
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Etienne Muller -- 12/29/2016, 1:04 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 12/28/2016, 2:52 pm
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Rich D -- 12/28/2016, 5:07 pm
Changing the Subject
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/29/2016, 8:46 pm
Re: Changing the Subject
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/29/2016, 10:04 pm
Re: Changing the Subject
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/30/2016, 11:28 am
Re: Changing the Subject
Etienne Muller -- 12/30/2016, 4:01 am