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Re: Other: Bow skeg
By:Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K
Date: 6/1/2015, 8:37 pm
In Response To: Re: Other: Bow skeg (Etienne Muller)

Well done. But don't get too prideful, I will make more, so that verdict may change :-)

Et

Thank you!

You said, "It (Pole Dancer) has substantially less rocker than the NS, the fore-foot is a lot deeper, and the hull section is somewhat less parabolic than the NS, with a wider V section and more pronounced chine section.
It also probably has more volume than the NS."

That deep fore-foot and V section makes the PD more like a Greenland based design.

Nick mentioned the idea that a kayak paddling upwind, cresting a wave, will get the full force of the wind as that bow juts up above the crest acting like a sail to push you off course.

The NS bow has no fore foot and less surface area for the wind to push.

The Aleuts must have paddled in these conditions routinely. I'd suggest you make yourself an 8' Aleut style paddle and see how the added length, gives extra leverage in such conditions.

I've paddled my iqyax (baidarka) designs for more than twenty years now. I knew some of the different handling characteristics from Greenland based designs, especially it's eagerness to surf.

But when I designed and built my first new Greenland kayak in twenty years, "Ootek" and paddled it, the differences became much clearer.

Most Greenland kayaks benefit from the use of a skeg in following seas, and beam winds.

I've put a few skegs on my most recent baidarkas. I can't notice any benefit when deployed.

When I say "baidarka" I mean the most well know kayak of the Aleutians the "iqyax" to be correct and to place it's origin. A kayak paddled by people who's seas never froze, who paddled full time, and who chased down mammals.

All the best,
Rob

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Other: Bow skeg *PIC*
Etienne Muller -- 6/1/2015, 9:43 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 6/1/2015, 9:52 am
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Curtis Fisher -- 6/1/2015, 10:14 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 6/1/2015, 10:40 am
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Etienne Muller -- 6/1/2015, 12:09 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 6/1/2015, 12:16 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 6/1/2015, 12:20 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 6/1/2015, 2:01 pm
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Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K -- 6/1/2015, 2:33 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 6/1/2015, 3:47 pm
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Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K -- 6/1/2015, 8:37 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 6/1/2015, 3:08 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 6/1/2015, 4:03 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 6/1/2015, 5:29 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 6/1/2015, 5:47 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 6/1/2015, 5:56 pm
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Paul Davies. -- 6/1/2015, 4:32 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 6/1/2015, 5:52 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/1/2015, 8:03 pm
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Reg Lake -- 6/2/2015, 2:16 am
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Etienne Muller -- 6/2/2015, 4:13 am
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Jay Babina -- 6/2/2015, 6:13 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/2/2015, 7:26 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 6/2/2015, 9:38 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 6/3/2015, 12:21 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/3/2015, 8:15 am
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Bill Hamm -- 6/3/2015, 9:19 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 6/2/2015, 9:45 pm
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J vanburen -- 6/2/2015, 6:57 am
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Etienne Muller -- 6/2/2015, 7:01 am