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Re: Off Topic: I had been standing all day . . . . *PIC*
By:Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks
Date: 9/11/2013, 9:54 pm
In Response To: Re: Off Topic: I had been standing all day . . . . (Malcolm Schweizer)

I probably shouldn't write this because it will probably upset some people, but it is an idea I've been mulling for awhile:

It is a much better ab workout and of course legs too. Believe me, I never thought I'd say this, but overall SUP's are a better workout if you are just out to tone muscles.

At the risk of being snarky, this is because SUPs are designed by fitness enthusiasts not boat designers. Boat designers do everything they can to make a boat efficient and as easy to use as possible. This is typically considered a feature. A SUP is a disaster by most design standards. In order to be stable enough to stand on they are flat and wide. This is creates a high wetted surface area, but SUP salesmen call this a "planing hull" even though no human can possibly make them plane on flat water.

The paddle mechanics are outrageously bad. The distance between the lower hand and the blade is typically greater than the distance between the upper and lower hand. This creates a huge mechanical disadvantage which can only barely be managed if you use your whole body to move the paddle. This is indeed a good work out, but if the boat is easier to paddle sitting down, that probably indicates sitting down is the better way to paddle it. Sit down with a double bladed paddle and you can probably make the thing zip along.

Any kind of headwind pretty quickly brings an SUP to a standstill because the paddle area is not enough to overcome the sail area of the standing paddler.

An SUP is purposefully created to be inefficient and awkward because the goal of the original design was a good workout. As the sport matures it is possible that SUPs will improve in design, but it will likely involve making them more like canoes and kayaks. A high-kneel racing canoe is just an SUP that someone designed right.

Hopping around with both feet in a potato sack is a better workout than running, but there is a reason people don't do potato sack marathons.

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Dave Gentry -- 9/9/2013, 9:38 am
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Rob Macks/Laughing Loon CC&K -- 9/9/2013, 10:01 am
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/9/2013, 7:10 pm
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 9/10/2013, 12:00 pm
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Greg_H -- 9/10/2013, 12:12 pm
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/10/2013, 12:32 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 9/10/2013, 12:56 pm
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Ken Blanton -- 9/10/2013, 6:42 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 9/10/2013, 11:06 pm
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Ken Blanton -- 9/11/2013, 3:13 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 9/11/2013, 5:03 pm
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ancient kayaker -- 9/11/2013, 7:05 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 9/15/2013, 2:13 am
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Noel Bennett -- 9/13/2013, 11:32 pm
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/14/2013, 9:57 am
COLREGS not colleges- autocorrect! *NM*
Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/14/2013, 9:58 am
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Bill Hamm -- 9/15/2013, 2:18 am
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/15/2013, 10:27 am
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Bill Hamm -- 9/16/2013, 1:36 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 9/15/2013, 12:04 pm
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/15/2013, 1:23 pm
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Noel Bennett -- 9/17/2013, 11:39 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 9/11/2013, 1:34 am
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/10/2013, 9:00 pm
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/10/2013, 9:39 pm
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/11/2013, 4:08 pm
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/11/2013, 7:15 pm
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/11/2013, 7:55 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 9/12/2013, 4:06 am
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/12/2013, 8:17 pm
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ancient kayaker -- 9/12/2013, 10:44 pm
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John Messinger -- 9/13/2013, 7:19 am
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/13/2013, 9:33 am
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Etienne Muller -- 9/13/2013, 9:44 am
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/13/2013, 9:57 am
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/13/2013, 10:48 am
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Robert Horstmann -- 9/15/2013, 10:50 am
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Etienne Muller -- 9/15/2013, 3:32 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 9/16/2013, 1:45 am
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ancient kayaker -- 9/16/2013, 7:40 am
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Greg_H -- 9/11/2013, 1:14 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 9/11/2013, 9:54 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 9/11/2013, 10:41 pm
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scottbaxter -- 9/11/2013, 11:04 pm
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Nick Riccardi -- 9/12/2013, 8:15 am
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Sean Dawe -- 9/13/2013, 11:06 am
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Sean Dawe -- 9/13/2013, 11:06 am
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Etienne Muller -- 9/13/2013, 12:18 pm
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 9/12/2013, 2:20 am
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Robert Horstmann -- 9/12/2013, 9:59 am
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Kurt Maurer -- 9/12/2013, 8:09 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 9/15/2013, 2:28 am
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Thor -- 9/11/2013, 11:29 pm