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Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarf joint ratio
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 10/27/2011, 4:38 pm
In Response To: Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarf joint ratio (ancient kayaker)

: Interestingly, most of the "olde time" builders I know of
: have adjusted their notions of what scarf ratio to use; years
: ago it was 12:1 or even 16:1, now 8:1 seems to be the norm. The
: reason of course is the use of epoxy.

: I took a look at scarf ratio from a theoretical point of view; in
: theory it should be sqrt(P/C) where P is the parallel-grain
: strength and C is the cross-grain strength. Since parallel-grain
: strength is about 10x cross-grain strength for most woods that
: would indicate an optimum ratio of about 3.2:1. Since figuring
: that out I have worked with ratios down to 4:1 and found the
: joint to equal the wood strength.

: Of course, there are some caveats. A joint with a steep angle tends
: to slide apart when clamped so the clamping arrangement is more
: complicated, and there is always the concern that the glue could
: weaken with time or moisture. So based on that the 8:1 ratio
: makes perfect sense, and certainly wastes far less wood than
: 12:1. I usually use 8:1 below the water line and for wood that
: will be bent after scarfing, and 6:1 for unstressed joints above
: the water line.

I use the 8:1 scarf primarily because it wastes less wood than a longer one. Longer is stronger and bends more naturally.

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot *PIC*
Kirk Fredericks -- 10/26/2011, 9:47 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Kevin McAtee -- 10/27/2011, 3:14 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Bill Hamm -- 10/27/2011, 3:42 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Kirk Fredericks -- 10/27/2011, 5:21 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Bill Hamm -- 10/30/2011, 2:58 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Craig Robinson -- 10/27/2011, 4:38 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarf joint ratio
Bill Mayberry -- 10/27/2011, 8:35 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarf joint ratio
Kirk Fredericks - Farback Carpentry and Automation -- 10/27/2011, 11:41 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarf joint ratio
ancient kayaker -- 10/27/2011, 4:16 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarf joint ratio
Bill Hamm -- 10/27/2011, 4:38 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Mike Bielski -- 10/27/2011, 9:44 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Bob Beaullieu -- 10/27/2011, 12:17 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Tips from an incomplete idiot
Bill Hamm -- 10/27/2011, 12:44 pm