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Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
By:Randy Echtinaw
Date: 11/15/2010, 11:35 am
In Response To: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness *PIC* (Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K)

: Someone recently asked a really important question;

: "Whether you are hand beveling the strip edges or B/C them
: there is no reason to start the process with strips all
: identical in width. And, you will hand plane, rough sand, finish
: sand the inside and outside of the wood so - what's the point of
: starting with strips identical in thickness?"

: The difference is night and day!

: Here are the keys to the kingdom.

: Having strips of equal thickness is HUGELY important. It allows you
: to easily align strip edges. If you can align strip edges,
: AND your strips remain in contact with your forms, the hull surface
: IS PERFECT!!!!

: IT IS PERFECT

: This is the genius of strip building.

: You will have very little sanding, scraping and fairing to do.

: If you start with the assumption you won't be able to align strip
: edges, that you can sand, plane and fair your way to a perfect
: hull, you
: will pile hours and hours of work on your project.

: How could you know? You can't if everybody else does it that way,
: if it is assumed you will do it too.

: After stripping many, many boats, I've learned exactly how much
: time is saved by paying attention to aligning strip edges.

: It's like the foundation of a house. If it starts out crooked or
: weak, every other line in each floor and wall will be off and
: will be hard to correct.

: If your strips are of different thicknesses they will create a
: rough surface that must be leveled with plane or sander and this
: will destroy
: and defeat the beauty, the simple genius, of the strips naturally
: creating a perfect fair surface.

: If the strips are of different thicknesses they won't lay against
: the forms correctly, and leveling the interior and exterior
: surfaces will throw
: you further and further AWAY from a fair surface.

: Bead and Cove profiles must be centered perfectly or they will
: create more problems than they solve. Setting up B&C cutters
: is one of the
: fussiest jobs you can do with a router. I worked for years with
: routers and I didn't get it right the first time I milled
: B&C strips.

: Did I throw out those strips? Of course not. I used them and
: UNKNOWINGLY suffered many extra hour of work compensating for my
: mistake.

: I bet 90% or more of first time builders do the same. That's way I
: advocate beveling one edge of all your strips at 3˚ on the
: table saw and hand
: beveling as needed to complete your hull.

: Aligning your strip edges is JOB ONE.

: Do that, focus your time and energy on that, and you will be
: stunned at how beautifully perfect and fair you hull is from the
: start!

: This means, slow down, dry fit and clamp each strip in place BEFORE
: you apply glue. To align strip edges you must figure out how
: to twist and bend them (with a heat gun) and how to clamp and hold
: them in place, which means creative use of different kinds of
: clamps,
: hot glue (think of it as a clamp), tape, staples nails, or whatever
: to get the job done.

: If you can't get a strip edge to align you need to be asking
: questions here about, how do I hold a strip here when my spring
: clamp won't reach,
: or some such question.

: Applying the wood strips is the best part. Take your time now,
: align strips edges, and the rest of your work will be fun too!

: All the best,
: Rob

Hello Rob,
You are quoting me and I guess I need to apologize for something? I don't use a thickness planer, I B/C my strips, I am a very experienced builder of a lot of things but a first time builder of kayaks. I am ready to glass the deck and I have had zero problems aligning strip edges to the point I did not need to fill any cracks with epoxy paste. Obviously I am doing something wrong :)) As I said, different strokes for different folks:) I realize all directions have to be written for the worst case possible and I am really wishing I had not gotten into this discussion so I quit. Have a great day everyone:)

Messages In This Thread

Strip: Regular Strip Thickness *PIC*
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 11/15/2010, 11:15 am
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness *PIC*
Etienne Muller -- 11/16/2010, 2:35 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Etienne Muller -- 11/16/2010, 2:40 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
fred g -- 11/15/2010, 9:08 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
G New -- 11/15/2010, 8:57 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Paul Davies -- 11/18/2010, 12:24 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2010, 1:24 am
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 11/15/2010, 1:42 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Malcolm Schweizer -- 11/15/2010, 2:35 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Kurt Maurer -- 11/15/2010, 8:22 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness *PIC*
J Law -- 11/16/2010, 10:38 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Ancient Kayaker -- 11/16/2010, 10:54 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
J Law -- 11/17/2010, 3:42 am
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2010, 7:53 am
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Ancient Kayaker -- 11/16/2010, 5:57 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2010, 8:44 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Bill Hamm -- 11/15/2010, 9:50 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 11/15/2010, 1:55 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Randy Echtinaw -- 11/15/2010, 11:35 am
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 11/15/2010, 1:38 pm
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
Mike Savage -- 11/16/2010, 6:36 am
Re: Strip: Regular Strip Thickness
J Law -- 11/16/2010, 7:53 am