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Re: S&G: Top load dooky schmutz end pour
By:Obee
Date: 12/30/2004, 1:54 pm
In Response To: Re: S&G: Top load dooky schmutz end pour (Paul G. Jacobson)

: Don't anchor the rope in your epoxy. You'll regret in in a few years.

: 1.) If the rope cannot move then all the wear and tear will happen at the
: point where the rope meets the hull. A freely moving loop will wear more
: evenly. Rope for a toggle-type handle may need replacing a bit more
: frequently.
: 2.) The rope will wick water into the "sealed" area and loosen its
: bond with the epoxy. Thanks to the trapped water, the rope will rot and
: weaken just inside the hull. It becomes a messy area in a very visible
: part of the boat.
: 3.) Even with the best care and cleanliness you will want to replace that
: rope every year or two, particularly if you use it as a bow tie down, or
: for attaching your safety ropes when tying your boat onto a rack for
: transporting.
: 4.) When replacement time eventually comes you'll have to drill out the old
: rope. That could be a sloppy job. The drill bit will probably shift around
: during the process, so you'll have an irregular hole. You'll probably want
: to fill it and redrill it.

: Best move is to embed a tube (plastic or copper) through which you can later
: insert your rope--and then tie a decorative knot in the rope, or attach a
: toggle to it.

: For security reasons you may want to either make the tube large enough to
: take your rope and a steel cable, or make it so you can remove the rope to
: insert a steel cable. A locked steel cable passing through the boat will
: deter casual thieves from making off with your boat. Rope is far too easy
: to cut.

: PGJ

Paul, thanks for the well written input.

I have tried to anticipate some of these issues:
Rot: I saturated the to be buried portion with epoxy just prior to the pour.
Flex point: I don't think the junction of hull, epoxy and rope will be much worse than some other attachment methods.
Replacement: The dual ropes should act as a drill guide of sorts with their lesser density. I don't intend to use the toggles for tie down points and will use webbing loops for car topping or a kayak trailer.

I am attempting to streamline the deck of the Pygmy with this top mount toggle, straples hatches and soft padeyes. With all the detail and finish that goes in to theses wooden boats it seems a shame to cover them with obtrusive, clumsy hardware. If interest continues I'll submit a photo of the finished product.

Obee

Messages In This Thread

S&G: Top load dooky schmutz end pour
Obee -- 12/24/2004, 2:03 pm
Re: S&G: Top load dooky schmutz end pour
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/29/2004, 10:08 pm
Re: S&G: Top load dooky schmutz end pour
Obee -- 12/30/2004, 1:54 pm
one last shot at changing your mind :)
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/31/2004, 12:52 am
Re: one last shot at changing your mind :)
Thomas Duncan -- 12/31/2004, 9:57 pm
End pour
bryan gorr -- 12/25/2004, 6:34 am
Re: End pour
Obee -- 12/25/2004, 2:28 pm
Re: End pour *Pic*
bryan gorr -- 12/26/2004, 9:59 am
Erruption Possibility *Pic*
Lloyd E. Peterson -- 12/24/2004, 2:46 pm
Re: Erruption Possibility
Obee -- 12/24/2004, 3:38 pm
Re: Erruption Possibility
LeeG -- 12/24/2004, 4:51 pm