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Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
By:Rob Macks
Date: 7/20/2001, 4:30 pm
In Response To: Re: Baidarka vs Greenland (West)

: Sigh... Fig 38 in Zimmerly's book "Qajaq" is a baidarka ! Just ask
: a serious kayak scholar such as Eugene Arima or John Heath.

: The word baidarka is a Russian word which is used to describe a skinned over
: small boat and was used to descibe the various native kayaks that the
: Russians met in their fur gathering ventures. The word baidarka was very
: clearly used to describe Aleut and Pacific Eskimo (Kodiak included)
: kayaks. Fig 38 in Zimmerly's "Qajaq" IS a baidarka as are the
: two and three hatch kayaks of both the Aleuts and Pacific Eskimos.

: In a previous post someone related the straight keelson of figure 38 in
: Zimmerly's "Qajaq" , this is very likely an accurate drawing of
: the museum artifact but I and other replicators believe that the lack of
: rocker shown in the drawing is a result of sagging of the frame and am
: confident in saying that such a kayak would have had a noticeable amount
: of rocker.

: The term baidarka is one I personally do not care for as it is was introduced
: by a foreign people who brutalized, enslaved and practiced near genocide
: on the Aleuts and Pacific Eskimo people. The more general word kayak
: prefixed by whatever region is favored by myself, such as Aleutian kayak
: or Kodiak kayak for example.

: To call a non- skin on frame kayak built in the shape of an Aleut or Kodiak
: kayak ( baidarka if you must ) and call it a baidarka is another misnomer
: in my opinion when by definition a baidarka is a skin covered small boat.

: Peace and safe paddling.

Zimmerly lists this kayak (Fig 38) in his book "Qajaq" as a Kodiak Kayak under the separate heading of Pacific Eskimo.

Zimmerly says,"The Pacific Eskimo kayaks and people are often confused with Aleut kayaks and people because the Russians tended not to distingush between the two groups."

The Russians called every small boat baidarda as it was their term for a small boat.

Rob

Messages In This Thread

Laugh ing Loon Shooting Star
Susan -- 7/16/2001, 6:23 am
Darn it! Now I want to build one :D *NM*
Chip Sandresky -- 7/17/2001, 7:30 pm
Re: Yeah, I like the sound of fast
Don Beale -- 7/17/2001, 7:40 pm
Faster then sin
!RUSS -- 7/16/2001, 2:56 pm
Baidarka vs Greenland
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 7/17/2001, 5:54 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Rob Macks -- 7/18/2001, 1:35 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Greg Stamer -- 7/21/2001, 10:48 am
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 7/19/2001, 2:41 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Rob Macks -- 7/20/2001, 10:37 am
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 7/23/2001, 11:59 am
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
West -- 7/20/2001, 3:29 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Rob Macks -- 7/20/2001, 4:30 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
West -- 7/20/2001, 6:13 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Rob Macks -- 7/20/2001, 8:57 pm
Re: Baidarka vs Greenland
Rob Macks -- 7/20/2001, 11:34 am
Thought from an X Y guy
!RUSS -- 7/17/2001, 9:33 pm
Re: Thought from an X Y guy
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 7/18/2001, 9:22 am
Re: Thought from an X Y guy - seconded
Roy Morford -- 7/18/2001, 11:17 am
One or two caveats, many questions
Paul G. Jacobson -- 7/17/2001, 9:14 pm
Re: Speed testing?
Val Wann -- 7/17/2001, 1:38 pm
Sin in NH must travel at 4 knots or less :) *NM*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 7/17/2001, 3:18 am
Re: Sinning in NH :D
!RUSS -- 7/17/2001, 7:32 am
Re: Sinning in NH :D
Rob Macks -- 7/17/2001, 5:09 pm
Re: Speeding in New South Wales
Andrew -- 7/17/2001, 10:25 am
my sins are why I need a fast boat
Guy Kaminski -- 7/17/2001, 1:26 am
No offfense taken.... Just a good giggle
!RUSS -- 7/17/2001, 7:25 am
Re: Faster then sin
Susan -- 7/16/2001, 5:05 pm
Re: Faster then sin
Alex Warren -- 7/17/2001, 7:16 am
Re: Faster then sin
Ken Katz -- 7/16/2001, 10:33 pm
Re: Faster then sin
Susan -- 7/17/2001, 6:18 am
Go For it
!RUSS -- 7/16/2001, 9:20 pm
Re: Skinnying it up
Don Beale -- 7/16/2001, 9:01 pm
Re: Faster then sin
Jim Kozel -- 7/16/2001, 3:05 pm
Apples and Oranges
!RUSS -- 7/16/2001, 7:12 pm
Re: Laugh ing Loon Shooting Star
Steve -- 7/16/2001, 1:58 pm
Re: Laugh ing Loon Shooting Star
Susan -- 7/16/2001, 5:43 pm
Re: Laugh ing Loon Shooting Star
Scott Fitzgerrell -- 7/16/2001, 1:07 pm
Re: Laughing Loon Shooting Star
WesT -- 7/16/2001, 12:08 pm
Re: Laugh ing Loon Shooting Star
Alex Warren -- 7/16/2001, 8:17 am
Re: Laugh ing Loon Shooting Star
Jim Kozel -- 7/16/2001, 9:27 am