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Re: some flare questions
By:Brian Nystrom
Date: 7/18/2001, 1:04 pm
In Response To: some flare questions (mike allen)

: hi brian

: could you comment on how you use flares? and under what conditions do you
: think they would be used? in most cases would one be out of the yak?

Well, I've never HAD to use flares and hopefully I never will. I would not consider using them unless I was in a desperate situation where I could not get to shore or the boat was severely damaged and awash or I had become separated from it. There are so many things that can happen at sea that it's pretty difficult to speculate about when one would use flares. One thing's for sure,though, I will carry flares in my PFD, as well as in the boat.

: do they take 2 hands to operate?

Yes, though I guess you could pull the chain with your teeth if you had to. With self-contained rocket/parachute flares, you fire them and then drop the container. Two hands are only needed for a few seconds, then both hands are free. With handheld flares, you use two hands to light them, then one to hold onto it as it burns. That is why I don't think they're terribly useful for kayakers, unless you're in the water or separated from your boat. A strobe light mounted on your PFD would be a better solution, in my opinion.

: are there any that take just one hand?

Not that I know of. You can fire a flare gun with one hand, but I don't know if you can readily load one that way.

: is it possible/likely to deploy them while swimming?

Sure. I don't see where that would make it any more difficult.

: would it make any sense at all to have a small capped tube like a mast holder
: in or on the yak to jam in the flare and pull the pin so can hold on as
: well?

Perhaps, but I tend to follow the KISS school of thought. Simpler is better in tough situations. If you have to think too much, you're more likely to make a potentially hazardous mistake.

: if you glued in your ethafoam and drilled vertically down into it
: beside you and stored them there - is that too dumb?

I assume you mean mounting foam in the cockpit somewhere. Mine are mounted in a drilled (actually hole-sawed) minicell block behind the right cheekplate. They have to be basically horizontal, due to the location. I drilled through the block and made it ~3" shorter than the flares, so I can pull them out from either in front of or behind the seat. The concern I have about mounting them vertically is that they would tend to move downward if the fit wasn't tight enough. If you left the end of the block sealed, it would fill with water - not a good idea.

: like a drilled end
: cap but beside you, or safer say just beyond the knee and slightly pointed
: away? or actually part of a mast step?

I'm not quite sure what you mean. They have to be easily accessible if you're in the water, so placing them forward of the cockpit coaming is probably not advisable. The last thing I want on my boat is and kind of mast.

: (or maybe some horizontal tubes out the side for when shawn gets close so we
: can blow him away!!)

I think Shawn's a pretty nice guy. I might squirt him with my bilge pump in jest, but shooting flares is a bit much.

Messages In This Thread

Flares
Don Beale -- 7/13/2001, 10:34 pm
Re: Flares
Geo. Cushing -- 7/16/2001, 5:04 pm
Re: Flares *NM*
Geo. Cushing -- 7/16/2001, 4:53 pm
Funny you should ask about flares...
Brian Nystrom -- 7/16/2001, 1:47 pm
a brief flash
Paul G. Jacobson -- 7/17/2001, 1:23 am
Oops! Yeah, it's 60-80 flashes/minute *NM*
Brian Nystrom -- 7/17/2001, 12:17 pm
Re: Funny you should ask about flares...
Don Beale -- 7/16/2001, 2:56 pm
Re: Funny you should ask about flares...
Shawn Baker -- 7/16/2001, 3:40 pm
Yeah, what Shawn said
Brian Nystrom -- 7/17/2001, 12:15 pm
some flare questions
mike allen -- 7/17/2001, 1:13 pm
Re: some flare questions
Brian Nystrom -- 7/18/2001, 1:04 pm
Re: Parachute Flares
Shawn Baker -- 7/16/2001, 10:22 am
Funny you should mention dye...
Pete Rudie -- 7/16/2001, 3:34 pm
Turning the well funny colors OT
!RUSS -- 7/17/2001, 8:01 am
Re: Holy cow!!!!! Better keep it dry in your PFD! *NM*
Shawn Baker -- 7/16/2001, 4:12 pm
Smoke and Mirrors
!RUSS -- 7/14/2001, 7:41 am
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
Rob Macks -- 7/18/2001, 5:43 pm
When it hits the fan
!RUSS -- 7/18/2001, 10:57 pm
very interesting, thanks *NM*
mike allen -- 7/19/2001, 10:47 am
BEFORE it hits the fan
Rob Macks -- 7/19/2001, 10:08 am
Ditch Kit Invitational Games Join The FUN
!RUSS -- 7/19/2001, 11:31 pm
Don't forget your bear packet+pepper spray. *NM*
John Monfoe -- 7/20/2001, 4:52 am
Its in there... Can you find it?
!RUSS -- 7/23/2001, 10:34 am
Re: rescue book
Val Wann -- 7/19/2001, 10:09 pm
Re: BEFORE it hits the fan
Rehd -- 7/19/2001, 9:58 pm
Re: Another great post Russ
Don Beale -- 7/19/2001, 2:16 am
Don't forget the flares, integrate them
!RUSS -- 7/19/2001, 7:12 am
Re: Don't forget the flares, integrate them
Paul G. Jacobson -- 7/19/2001, 11:52 pm
Re: Don't forget the flares, integrate them
!RUSS -- 7/20/2001, 12:00 am
Great Posts. I pay attention to your experience. *NM*
John Monfoe -- 7/19/2001, 6:42 am
Re: When it hits the fan
daren neufeld -- 7/18/2001, 11:44 pm
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
John Monfoe -- 7/15/2001, 4:42 am
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
!RUSS -- 7/16/2001, 9:37 am
Weather cautions
John Monfoe -- 7/18/2001, 5:47 am
Today at La Parrusse Banks..........
!RUSS -- 7/18/2001, 8:07 am
Re: Today at La Parrusse Banks..........
Brent Curtis -- 7/18/2001, 12:05 pm
Re: Today at La Parrusse Banks....OT......
!RUSS -- 7/19/2001, 11:49 pm
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
Brent Curtis -- 7/15/2001, 8:26 am
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
John Monfoe -- 7/16/2001, 6:33 am
Re: some related safety questions
erez -- 7/14/2001, 6:07 pm
EPIRB, SCUBA KNIVEs and CD Disks
!RUSS -- 7/16/2001, 9:32 am
Re: some related safety questions
Bob Kelim -- 7/14/2001, 8:37 pm
Re: signal mirror
Don Beale -- 7/14/2001, 11:12 pm
Re: some related safety questions
Guy Kaminski -- 7/14/2001, 7:29 pm
Re: Great thoughts
Don Beale -- 7/14/2001, 10:40 am