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Re: integral rudder...again

Posted By: Mark Kanzler
Date: Friday, 28 August 1998, at 11:08 a.m.

In Response To: Re: integral rudder...again (Nolan Penney)

Actually, a kayak would look very little like an airfoil to the flow. You'll notice that the wings on a sailplane are very long. Thiss causes the flow to be mainly fore - aft over most of the wing (2D flow). Spanwise (3D) flow detracts from the airfoil's ability to do its job. Also flow from the bottom to the top, unless used to energize flow over the top efficiently, will lessen the effect of the airfoil shape.

A kayak would probably be modelled closer to two cones joined by a short cylinder section than an airfoil (wing) shape. Alot of what we've discussed really doesn't apply except in small amounts. A slight sideways drift of the boat will occur, but it is of very limited magnitude due to 3D flow effects.

> Since a kayak is very light, and is presenting a
> large aerofoil to the water. Which could result in some very quick turning
> if this is a significant force.

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Re: integral rudder...again
Tom Scheibe -- Tuesday, 25 August 1998, at 4:36 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Tuesday, 25 August 1998, at 4:49 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Tom Scheibe -- Tuesday, 25 August 1998, at 5:11 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Nolan Penney -- Wednesday, 26 August 1998, at 6:31 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Tom Scheibe -- Wednesday, 26 August 1998, at 2:30 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Nolan Penney -- Wednesday, 26 August 1998, at 3:06 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 12:07 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Nolan Penney -- Thursday, 27 August 1998, at 3:19 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Thursday, 27 August 1998, at 7:09 p.m.
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Mark Kanzler -- Thursday, 27 August 1998, at 7:14 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Nolan Penney -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 7:05 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 10:59 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 11:49 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Nolan Penney -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 3:24 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
chris_rolt -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 7:14 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Saturday, 29 August 1998, at 11:34 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Saturday, 29 August 1998, at 11:10 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 11:08 a.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Nolan Penney -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 3:14 p.m.
Re: integral rudder...again
Mark Kanzler -- Saturday, 29 August 1998, at 10:55 a.m.
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Re: Please describe control cables
Tom Scheibe -- Tuesday, 25 August 1998, at 11:23 p.m.
Re: Please describe control cables
Mark Bodnar -- Wednesday, 26 August 1998, at 6:03 p.m.
Re: Please describe control cables
Tom Scheibe -- Thursday, 27 August 1998, at 4:29 p.m.
Re: Please describe control cables
Mark Kanzler -- Thursday, 27 August 1998, at 6:55 p.m.
Re: Please describe control cables
Nolan Penney -- Friday, 28 August 1998, at 6:49 a.m.
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Edgar Kleindinst -- Sunday, 30 August 1998, at 12:01 a.m.
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Joe Greenley -- Saturday, 29 August 1998, at 2:21 p.m.
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Ross Leidy -- Tuesday, 1 September 1998, at 1:54 p.m.
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Tom Scheibe -- Monday, 31 August 1998, at 2:18 p.m.
Re: integral rudder... another question
Nick Schade -- Monday, 31 August 1998, at 5:51 p.m.
Re: integral rudder... another question
Edgar Kleindinst -- Friday, 4 September 1998, at 5:29 p.m.

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